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When are teams even?

PostAuthor: jimi » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:57 pm

1. When PRW says 50-50.
2. When the skill of teams is even.
3. When both teams have fun. (?)

(1 is not the same a 2 because on some 'allies' maps (like braundorf) when teams are of similar skill prw will say like 90 allies - 10 axis)

I look on prw but don't know if its the right way.

It's a serious thread. No troll or emotes only comments allowed.
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: brox » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:18 pm

an even team on supply is an axis stacked team on battery ,it is what it is :wub: :wub: :wub:
and for every strong player there is 3 sheep that follow also is what it is :wub: :wub: :wub:
but good luck finding an answer :wub: :wub: :wub:
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: jimi » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:24 pm

I don't want to be rude but I think you didn't try to understand my question. (I know my thought process is retarded and it's hard to understand me the way I want people to.)
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: Akayz » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:07 pm

i go by points

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but look at obj and time too.
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: Niels » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:18 am

i don't really look at any number, i know almost all players so can make an estminate for myself which side is most suitable to join. Tends to be axis cuz allies win 8/10 maps.
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: zylod » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:25 pm

Numbers can matter but using how fair over and over is not much help. The most important thing for me is to pay attention to the map progress not the numbers. If you playing gold rush and the tank is still sitting at the beginning and there is 10 minutes gone its not hard to figure axis is too strong, on the flip side if the tank is already past the second barrier with 20 minutes you can conclude allies are too strong. Some maps are harder to judge than others because they can be completed without force. It may take a map or two for it to become clear, but I know sometimes I'll find I've played 3 maps in 15 minutes, tha'ts when you have a problem.
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: Akayz » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:11 pm

battery i think 90% of the time, allies need help over axis. but again.. depends what's going on.

goldrush is probably the only one where you really need to look at the obj status and time.

at the end of the day, just look at it "if i join this, am i gonna mess up the flow of the game".

that's all.
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: jimi » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:10 pm

thanks for opinions
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: hallucinog3n » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:39 pm

PRW KD and XP are utterly worthless as gauges for how 'fair' teams are. Time and again I see a strong KD team get rolled by a single junk. Or lots of high KD rambos running around like headless chickens, while a lower KD team wins because of teamplay.
XP well the only real things needed are faster reload, flak jacket and level 4 battle sense. XP itself you can earn by tossing ammo packs at spawn (for example) so it is no real indicator of a teams ability.
PRW is so bugged it's literally pointless.
Ofc there are exceptions when a strong KD team runs riot but it is not always the case.
We all know well enough by now when teams are 'fair' or not, I still see only the same old faces switching/going spec though....

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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: Akayz » Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:51 pm

but really 90% of the time my method works :lol:
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: jimi » Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:18 pm

What about the balance itself?
Teams are balanced when the chances of winning are the same for both teams,

Or when the skill of players on both teams is equal?

Or maybe sth different?

On goldrush its almost always obvious for me, but there are some less balnced maps on which its way harder to tell what to prioritize.
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: Breh » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:35 am

Well I think one of the main problems is that a great deal of the maps we play are actually SW maps which are designed around setting a time rather than fullholding. ET:pro veterans can correct me on that as I'm not entirely sure. Because of this and adrenaline I prefer axis being the stronger team by a small margin. Except on this joke of a map that is goldrush. And Battery.

Other difficulties when deciding what team to join is how are the top dogs playing? Sometimes pioner doesn't adrenaline the shit out of himself and plays mortar which makes him a far less valuable asset to a team. Or jimi is using pistol only.


What do I consider fair teams? When people enjoy themselves and stay. There's nothing as stupid as an entire server (gradually) emptying just because teams are terrible. Having nice teams is by no means an easy accomplishment but some more due diligence considering team from regular players would get us a long way. I know I ain't no saint either.

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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: cork » Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:44 am

By Default I will join Axis because of this exact reason:
Breh wrote:Well I think one of the main problems is that a great deal of the maps we play are actually SW maps which are designed around setting a time rather than full holding.

I think it's important to understand that most of the maps we are playing aren't ment for axis to win WHEN TEAMS ARE FAIR. The goal is for the allies to push in as good and quickly as possible and for the axis to push back as good as they can in return. Since the spawntimes are in favor of the allies, they are allowed to make more mistakes than the axis and thus having an advantage. As an axis, if you fail on 1 allies spawn you get punished straight away.
Now as an axis on our servers you don't really have "waves" coming at you like in a more competitive scene, but you will be punished if you play brainlessly.

I only join allies if I see that axis have 80% of top/objective players.

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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: Breh » Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:07 am

so important topic

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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: tynome » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:31 pm

I only worry about even if the number of players is not fair. I usually play allies cause I feel that there is where I do less damage to a team. I really don't care about ace players ganging against my team. I only try harder.
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: steven » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:27 pm

Actually cork wrote a quiet good things..
knowing the players helps you to keep teams fair..
also you can pay attention to the time, example allies capturing the objective so how fast they doing it and advancing..
but usually its ok and you just gotta even the teams by the amount of the players..
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Re: When are teams even?

PostAuthor: zylod » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:39 pm

The correct answer...when are teams even?....not often.... :)
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